- A large proportion of the most able people in the country
are employed as teachers of people who will never use
what they are being taught, this is a criminal waste.
- Most of the brightest people in the country are wasting a
large proportion of their time spoon feeding lazy, spoilt
dullards who are too lazy and thick to learn by
themselves. Many of the people being taught are
foreigners. Our most valuable resource is being wasted on
teaching our competitors how to ruin us.
- Universities should serve their local area principally,
the local population, businesses and industry. They
should provide library facilities (reference only?) to
anybody of any age who needs or wants to use them. They
might also provide lab and workshop facilities. They
should cooperate with local businesses on a reciprocal
basis. Their principal functions should be to prepare
course materials, run some courses, conduct examinations
and do research.
- There is no need for people who want to study Ancient
History, The History of Art or English Literature to go
to university. Public libraries and bookshops are full of
books on these subjects, they are hobbies, we don't need
any more novelists, historians or artists, we need people
who can do worthwhile work
- We are fighting a trade war against opponents with the
massive advantage of very cheap labour and are being
massacred, this is no time to be teaching people History,
English Literature and how to use their cutlery in the
right order and create worthwhile work for others, We don't want to
be just a Merrie Englande theme park for the amusement of
the Yanks.
- Being an intellectual is a mug's game in this society,
only a tiny minority can make a decent living out of it
and when they become old and their faculties decline they
are likely to become destitute.
- The cleverest people, the one's whose work advances
progress and is therefore the most valuable, ie.
researchers in universities, are among the poorest paid
in this upside down society.
- Most people have a better chance of earning a decent
living if they learn a trade rather than becoming an
academic or intellectual these days. It is easier and
more profitable to start and run a small business than to
become an expert in almost any technical field.
- Most university graduates have to have a long period of
training in their first job before they are of any use to
the company that employs them, they might as well skip
university.
- Most people go to university mainly to have a good time,
meet suitable members of the opposite sex, get a ticket
to the middle class and get a cushy, well paid job. Most
choose a soft subject to study so that they don't have to
work very hard.
- Universities in their present form are a sordid, corrupt
contrivance designed to ensure that the children of the
prosperous classes can enjoy the same unfair advantages
as their parents.
- Many of the subjects that university students are
studying should be hobbies, leisure activities, not the
focus of three years of full-time study.
- About the only people who can make a living out of
history are those who teach it. History is of negligible
use to most people but many find it interesting and
enjoyable so read books about it from time to time. There
are plenty of books to choose from in bookshops and
public libraries, there is no need to go to university.
Given suitable books on the subject, most children will
be sufficiently interested to read them by themselves,
particularly if they know they are going to be tested on
what they have read.
- Why on earth do English people need to study English or
English Literature at university? Shakespeare didn't,
Dickens didn't, Jane Austen didn't. If people want to
read novels, most of which are basically love stories,
they should do it in their own time at their own expense.
- Three year degree courses are hopelessly inefficient, the
vast majority of students have almost certainly forgotten
nearly everything they learned at the beginning of their
course by the time they reach the end, large numbers
never make any use of the subject they studied in their
subsequent life. This sort of inefficiency isn't
tolerated in any other aspect of life. Some graduates
should be made to sit their exams again at intervals
after graduation, without warning, as an experiment to
see how they perform. Ten to one most would fail dismally.
- University is a sordid, corrupt racket designed to give
the children of the prosperous classes another unfair
advantage over and above those that being brought up in
comfortable circumstances confers. It also provides a
large chunk of the prosperous classes with a very
agreeable way of earning a living.
- Most of the jobs people who have had all this education
do are no more demanding than driving a bus, they are
just a bit more rarefied so the general population can be
duped into thinking they are rocket science.
- Every large town must have a university or college where
anybody who needs technical information or training can
go to get it, at any time, (libraries must be open till
10pm and all day Saturday and Sunday).
- University is part of the middle class mating ritual.
- The two classes now are, 1) those who have been to
university and 2) those who haven't.
- Why do English people have to study English or English
Literature at university, isn't GCE 'A' Level good enough.
Shakespeare, Jane Austen, Dickens, the Bronte sisters etc.
etc. didn't go to university. Most Public Libraries stock
most of the classics of English literature and most of
them are a pleasant and easy read, why go to university
to study them? To get on the pub quiz team? What good are
English Literature experts except for teaching even more
people to become English Literature experts. Subjects
like English Literature are a very pleasant skive, that
is why they are so popular, they provide a painless way
to middle class membership. There are too many young
people studying more or less useless soft subjects like
English Literature, History of Art, Ancient History etc.
These subjects don't produce people who can generate
profitable work for those who don't have the wherewithal
or leisure to enjoy three years at university.
- Many people need education continuously or at intervals
throughout their working lives. Educational resources
shouldn't be wasted on the ignorant, inexperienced,
spoiled brats of the middle classes who don't know how to
make proper use of them. They should be reserved for
people who have begun their career and know precisely
what information they require so that they don't waste
their own and other people's time and money getting
information they will never use and soon forget. Most
people who go to university never use the subject they
studied there in their subsequent life. Most of them go
there largely in the hope of enjoying themselves, getting
promiscuous sex, a ticket to middle class membership and
a well paid sinecure for life.
- People who make the effort to educate themselves and
therefore do not waste the time of people who could be
doing more productive things must get the same rewards as
those who have to be spoon fed.
- Most students study subjects they like or are good at
rather than subjects with some utility for which there is
a need.
- The education system trains children to be students and
parasites.
- Degrees are designed to be almost impossible for people
from poor backgrounds to obtain.
- It isn't possible for a country to survive in the modern
world if 50% of it's population consists of philosophers
and aesthetes who find any sort of manual or useful
labour beneath their dignity.
- Most education is a profligate, self-indulgent waste of
resources, it is never used for any useful or productive
purpose.
- Subsidised education should be pursued on some sort of
sandwich basis alongside work.
- University education (three years of it anyway) isn't
appropriate for most people (nor 'A' Levels come to that).
- People who have been corrupted by going to university
only want to work with others of their kind. They think
they will be contaminated if they work with people they
consider to be inferior, people who haven't cultivated a
precious, phoney accent.
- People who have been to university have usually studied
one narrow subject to the virtual exclusion of everything
else and it is usually a subject that is more or less
useless and irrelevant to normal life, they come out more
ignorant than when they went in but much more conceited.
- It shouldn't be necessary to study full time at a
university for several years to get an education.
Virtually all the information imparted by universities is
readily available from bookshops and libraries. The
course books used by universities are all available and
are superior sources of information to most university
lecturers.
- People who have sufficient motivation to learn, don't
need to go to university, in fact going to university is
likely to be a waste of their time (as Bill Gates of
Microsoft found out, for example). It is virtually a
waste of time trying to teach those without motivation
more than the basics.
- There is plenty of work available that requires a minimal
amount of knowledge or ability, in fact it is becoming
difficult to find any other sort in our wonderful service
economy. These days, people who can barely read or write
can make a better living selling double glazing or fitted
kitchens than a person who has reached the level of
Professor at a university. For most people, a university
education is probably counter- productive now, only those
who get first class honours are likely to be able to get
any material benefit from it, the rest will just get
frustration and bitterness.
- The people who do the really difficult and innovative
work that moves progress forward, the university
researchers, are among the worst paid and have to go
round with a begging bowl to get grants for their work.
- Tony Blair wants 50% of children to go on to university
from school, he wants to create a two class society,
masters and slaves, those who have a prosperous and
enjoyable life and those who don't, those who exploit
others and those who are exploited, how disgusting is it
possible to get?
- Why don't our leaders look in the job vacancy section of
their local newspapers to see what sort of jobs are
available for the majority of people. Lousy, go nowhere,
hopelessly poorly paid jobs for the most part.
- Only people with proven exceptional ability should study
full-time at university level, people who are committed
to becoming top level researchers in high tech. subjects,
it is a waste of time and money for everybody else.
- Diplomas obtained by part time study are adequate for the
vast majority of people's needs. Everybody is being
educated to the point where they can't bear to do
practical work, it is beneath their dignity, so there
aren't enough people to do the work that needs doing and
too many wanting intellectual work which isn't available.
- Degrees need to be abolished, they are discriminatory,
the necessity of having one even to get on the career
progression ladder traps most people in poverty and
hopelessness. Children brought up in disadvantaged
circumstances are still unlikely to realise the
importance of getting a degree until it is too late to
obtain one in the normal way, (which would be difficult
enough for them), so it becomes almost impossible for
them to obtain one. A fairer system would be to award 'A'
levels for more and more specialised subjects and
encourage people to obtain them as they require them
throughout their lives.
- Degrees merely show that a person has wasted a lot of
time and money (much of it usually other people's)
learning a lot of information most of which they are
unlikely ever to use (only a minority of graduates pursue
their degree subject when they leave University).
- About the only people who might need degree level
training to perform their job satisfactorily are
scientific researchers, not many people fall into this
category.
- Why do teachers have to have degrees, if they are only
going to have to teach one of the subjects they took at
'A' level, which is the norm, why aren't their 'A' level
qualifications enough. They should be able to teach to
'O' level standard straight away and be sufficiently
interested in their subject to reinforce and expand their
'A' level knowledge over two or three years of part time
study so that they can teach at that level with
confidence. It is even more ridiculous for primary school
teachers to be required to have a degree, they didn't
have to in the days when children left primary school
able to read, write and do arithmetic proficiently.
- The degree is the passport to the middle class, it's only
function is to separate the winners from the losers, the
people who will enjoy life from those who will be
condemned to poverty, frustration and humiliation.
- Efficiency is the watchword in anything that affects the
working class but gross inefficiency is permissible if it
enables the middle classes and their offspring to gain a
big advantage for themselves; education is a long drawn
out succession of expensive (in terms of opportunity cost
even if not actual cost) redundant tests, each one
designed to separate sheep from goats but in total
designed to discourage and defeat anybody not from the
prosperous classes.
- In any case, most degree courses are not an adequate
preparation for most jobs, yet more training is needed
after graduation as a rule.
- As people get higher and higher qualifications most
specialise in a narrower and narrower field. Unless they
have phenomenal memories, which I think few do, they
merely end up being expert in a very restricted area.
This may or may not be beneficial to society and the
individual concerned but it doesn't justify very large
salaries.
- The damned universities don't provide what is needed,
namely, affordable through life education as and when it
is required. All they need to provide is books,
libraries, tutors for people who need a bit of help and
year round examination facilities. At present they
largely fulfil a social, finishing school ritual to
qualify the children of the middle and upper classes for
their own entry to those classes.
- What is the point of 50% of the population going to
university, most jobs don't require those performing them
to have had a university education. There will be hordes
of people expecting fat salaries although it will be
beneath their dignity to do the only jobs available.
There needs to be a drastic rethink of the purpose of
education and of universities.
- University is a barrier erected by the prosperous classes
to enable them to pass on the best opportunities to their
children.
- One isn't allowed to do a job that requires the ability
to read, write and do simple arithmetic unless one has a
degree. To be a primary school teacher and be allowed to
teach reading writing and arithmetic to tots one has to
have a degree. To teach one subject to 'O' or 'A' level
one has to have a degree and do a teacher training course
as well, IT IS LUDICROUS. Apparently, nurses now have to
have three or four years training, presumably part time.
What do nurses do that requires all this training? Are
they all trained to do everything that a nurse might have
to do? If they are, it is unnecessary, inefficient and
possibly dangerous, they are likely to make mistakes if
they are called on to do something they haven't
encountered since their training ten years earlier. They
should be trained to do several specific tasks, not all
possible nursing tasks. If they want to learn the whole
range they should do it in their own time at their own
expense. What if they want to become manager of all the
nurses in a large hospital? Most managers don't know much
about what their subordinates do, these days. Is this a
good thing? There probably isn't any need for a manager
who is organising and allocating the work of a range of
different staff to know in detail exactly what each of
them does. All this training is designed to give it's
recipients status and to try to provide some
justification for giving them high salaries and thus to
justify even higher salaries for the givers.
- By the time they reach university age, people should be
able to teach themselves largely from books etc., they
shouldn't need much tuition. Is learning from books too
boring?
- Children are being encouraged to spend years getting an
education that probably still won't enable them to get a
half decent job, they are being duped.
- To a large extent, the education system trains people to
be scholars but this is an occupation from which only a
handful of people can make a reasonable living, mostly
those teaching other people to be scholars.
- Sending 50% of children to university is creating a
society in which there are more chiefs than Indians and
in which most of the elderly will become the serfs of the
more recently and therefore more appropriately and better
educated and more privileged young. There are not going
to be enough good jobs for all these graduates, a very
good degree is already necessary to get a job in some
fields, ie. electronic engineering. Many of these
graduates are going to be very annoyed when they find
that all that their education gives them is large debts.
- University is a humiliating nightmare for children from
poor families because they find themselves having to mix
with spoilt, rich kids with money to squander.
- Only a small proportion of university students learn
anything about the process of wealth creation.
- Most of the education given in schools and universities
is a waste of time for most young people, it will never
be used in the rest of their lives. This puts children
who don't like wasting their time at a hopeless
disadvantage.
- Most children choose soft subjects to study at university
and make no use of their degree subject subsequently;
they are just looking for a pleasant interlude before
starting work and a passport to membership of the
prosperous middle class. If they are not going to make
use of what they study they should do it outside working
hours as a hobby, not deprive somebody else of an
opportunity they would use constructively.
- Most higher education should be provided on a sandwich or
other part time basis in conjunction with work. Work and
education should be coupled closely together throughout
life, in the case of intellectually inclined people at
least. It would be a good idea for most people to work
for a year in their chosen career before undertaking
further education, so that they are confident they have
made the right choice and won't be wasting their own and
other people's time.
- Universities should open there libraries and lab
facilities to anybody who registers with them and fulfils
some minimum requirements, they shouldn't be a resource
that is only available to a restricted, privileged clique.
- People with broad intellectual inclinations are probably
more vulnerable to unemployment and poverty than any
other group in this society, there are very few jobs
suitable for them, people with narrow, one track minds
who can do a specific job quickly are in far greater
demand. In these circumstances it is grossly
irresponsible for Chris Woodhead, ex Chief Inspector of
Schools, to advocate a broad education designed to turn
children into civilised aesthetes aware of their historic
and cultural heritage. He says such people are always
able to find jobs and that they do better than those
given a specialised education, (The Moral Maze, BBC Radio
4, July 13th). If this is true it is only because there
are even fewer such people than there are jobs for them.
These days, most employers want people with very specific
skills backed by several years experience spent honing
them, nothing else will do, they don't like spending
money that could otherwise go into their pockets on
training new recruits.
- Universities produce effete, indolent people who regard
it as beneath their dignity to do any sort of manual work
or get their hands dirty, the more university educated
people we produce the more immigrants we will need to do
productive work to make money to support them.
- Universities should be open to people of
all ages.
- Few mature people want to find themselves
in an environment full of adolescents. Some separation of
young and older students appears to be necessary if the
latter are not to be discouraged and alienated. Perhaps
there should be separate colleges for the two groups.
- Many Academics are more interested in
their extra money making business schemes than teaching
their students. Many are more or less useless teachers.
They are parasites who prey on the need of students to
get qualifications. They ensure that qualifications
cannot be obtained without tithes being paid to them.
- One can't get on to MBA courses unless
one has the right credentials, attitude (the ambition to
make a lot of money for oneself principally) and class,
ie unless one is a corrupt egoist.
- Course material for degree or 'A' Level
courses should be available in book form, most people
learn to read at primary school, academics and teachers
are, to a large extent, parasites.
- In this disgusting society the only way
for most people to get the chance to study something
worthwhile full time without running up large debts is
for them to get a jail sentence.
- In this society it is a waste of time
studying anything unless one can get a degree out of it.
In many subjects the minimum qualification that counts
for anything is a first class honours degree.
- The education system is designed to
protect the middle class's hold on all decent jobs.
- People should be able to improve their
education throughout their lives and get proper
recognition for it, (if it is relevant to their work),
academics seem to be the only people who are able to do
this easily.
- Educational increments should be a less
daunting and more meaningful size than the degree.
- If the educational system was rational,
anybody would be able to improve themselves but the
middle classes don't want that, they want to be sure of
maintaining their imagined superiority, so they restrict
the educational opportunities of everyone else.
- Education is the means by which some
people kid themselves they are entitled to a better life
than the rest of us.
- Universities and further education
institutions of every sort are designed primarily to give
a good life to their staff rather than to satisfy the
needs of people needing information.
- What is the justification for academic as
opposed to vocational education? One possibility is the
idea that people who have been suitably trained can
tackle anything, this is a myth. Are academics trained to
push back the frontiers of knowledge? Is the idea that
the frontier has to be reached before it can be moved?
Being an academic is just another vocation anyway, it is
no more special than most others.
- Full time education prepares hardly
anyone for anything specific, nearly all of us are still
dependant on the charity of employers for training and
experience in the job we do, most of our education is
often completely irrelevant.
- Everybody has to pay a tithe to the
educationists if they want a chance of a half decent life.
Education only counts if one has paid one's dues to the
academic community and got a fancy gown in return.
- People who don't have first class honours
degrees aren't likely to be able to earn enough to
justify paying for further education.
- Education in this country is largely
about learning how to pose as somebody who is superior.
- The education system, Universities etc.,
is designed to overawe and intimidate the working class
and thus repel them.
- Most education is a waste of time,
qualifications don't count for much without recent work
experience (except in certain management jobs perhaps),
it is impossible to have recent experience of applying
more than a very small fraction of the content of a three
year degree course.
- People must cripple themselves with debt
to get virtually meaningless qualifications to satisfy
stupid employers.
- Education should be paid for by those
receiving it unless they need it for their work (because
their skill is declining in value, they are bored with
it, or another skill has a higher or rising value). If
education is received free then not used, it's cost
should be recovered from the recipient.
- Turn Public Schools into adult education
colleges?
- Management should be part of the
curriculum at all levels of education so that everybody,
rather than just an obnoxious clique who think they have
the right to control other people's lives, will be a
manager.
- Private schools and private tutoring to
be illegal. Everybody to be educated in the state system
or by self-tuition. Qualifications obtained in other ways
not to be recognised by the Universities or official
bodies or employers. It isn't possible to assess
student's abilities fairly if they have been educated
very differently.
- Get info. on Public Schools, who owns
them, are they limited companies or charities?
- To discourage private education, only
qualifications obtained in the state education system
should be recognised by the state sector, since people
taught in the private sector have an unfair advantage, (or
should the qualifications of privately educated people be
downgraded by a factor?).
- There should be well defined ways for
mature adults to retrain.
- If the degree qualification is essential
then getting one shouldn't be a painful and costly
process.
- The USA's education system is usually
dismissed as being inferior to ours, how is it that the
United States is so much more successful in nearly every
technical field than we are? Is it purely because they
bribe so much foreign talent to go there? I doubt it.
- The Open University is a swindle, it is
far too expensive. I was interested in an MSc computing
course until I found it would cost me over £6000. I
believe that half a dozen books costing less then £200
altogether would cover the material in the course but, of
course, teaching oneself from books doesn't count because
it doesn't pay the salaries of an army of academics who
should be doing something more productive than spoon-feeding
information to people who can't feed themselves.
- The education system has to be re-jigged
so that it gives as much attention to serving the needs
of adults as those of children.
- Why aren't we all educated to be Masters
of Business Administration so that we can all become
tycoons with fabulous houses and private jets? Why are
people duped into taking up careers that condemn them to
poverty for life?
- There is no way that most people can
afford to retrain to a level that will enable them to get
a half decent job.
- On the Today programme on Radio 4 on
Tuesday Aug.14th 02 a Professor said that 'A' Level
results were about as useful as tossing a coin for
deciding who should go to university.
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