- Our education system is largely a prolonged obstacle
course designed to exclude all but the children of the
prosperous and privileged (and a few very bright, not
easily discouraged children) from the best jobs. Any
benefit it provides in the way of training is largely
incidental, it provides substantial benefits to the
education suppliers of course.
- If people want education over and above what they need
for their work they should get it in their own time at
their own expense, not at the expense of taxpayers, many
of whom are far worse off than they are. I believe that
much further education is merely used to gain bogus
status and unmerited reward.
- A classical, broad, non-vocational education is all very
well for the heirs of rich families and for people who
can live off their capital and investments, although even
they are probably more likely to be made more conceited
rather than more civilised. For most people, such an
education is unlikely to provide them with the means to
earn a decent living and is therefore likely to lead to
them quickly becoming very bitter and twisted.
- Children at school should have careers lessons as they
have geography and history lessons, not just a half hour
chat in their last term with the master delegated to give
careers advice (although he has little interest in, or
knowledge of, the subject). They should be given projects
to find out as much as they can about the careers they
are considering following. They should have to examine
the advantages and drawbacks of each career choice, in
general and from their own particular point of view. They
should be able to visit labs, factories and offices and
talk to people following the careers they are interested
in.
- Children should be ready to take the first steps towards
their chosen career whenever they leave school or full-time
education. A considerable number of young people are
forced to leave school early by family circumstances,
they shouldn't be at a disadvantage for the rest of their
lives. They should be able to get a foothold in the
discipline they wish to follow, ie. a paid apprentice or
technician level position, and be able to continue their
studies part-time. This would also suit many children who
resent having to go to school to learn things that they
are not interested in and which they believe will never
be of any use to them. Also children with poor parents
who resent not being able to have generous amounts of
pocket money, nice clothes, holidays, parties, outings
etc. like most of their fellow pupils. It is usually
these categories of children who are, understandably,
badly behaved at school.
- By the time young people have taken their 'A' levels they
should be ready to embark on a career at intermediate
level and should be able to progress as far as they want
to go by part-time study while earning a decent living
wage. They should be able to get married and start a
family at the natural age, which is getting earlier and
earlier as courses get longer and longer. They should not
have to wait until they have obtained a PhD then find
there are hardly any unmarried people left in their age
group to be impressed by it. For students of most
technical subjects, further education is crippling
socially, financially, sexually and emotionally, for
other students it seems to be a ball. By the time they
have finished full-time study I believe that many of them
find that the experiences that should have made their
late teens and early twenties the best period of their
lives have largely passed them by.
- Any further full time education immediately after leaving
school should only be for fully committed, genuinely
academic students of advanced technical subjects.
Students who are destined to do research ie, who must get
to the research frontier quickly to maximise their chance
of doing original work when their abilities are at their
peak. This means that engineering should be taught as an
'A' level subject, (and 'O' level too?).
- Most people should have a period of work experience to
check that they have made the correct career choice
before qualifying for any more subsidised full time
education. Everybody should be entitled to an annual
quota of subsidised work-related education. This might be
two or three weeks a year, (averaged over n years).
- After the 'O' Level stage, all education that isn't work
specific should be paid for by it's recipient.
- Most people learn to read at primary school, from then on
they are largely capable of teaching themselves if they
are provided with the right guidance, environment,
facilities and materials. This is how education should
work, this is how children's interests, capabilities and
aptitudes can best be determined, by letting them get on
with what interests them at their own speed largely by
themselves. Their progress is the best measure of their
ability. Those who don't want to learn by themselves are
not fit or not ready for intellectual work, they should
be trained to do practical work but should have the
opportunity to resume their education at any time in
their lives that they need or want to. It is largely a
waste of time and effort to teach people who are not
motivated to learn. Motivation comes from interest or
perceiving a need.
- If children can't largely teach themselves from books etc.
by the time they are fifteen they shouldn't attempt
intellectual work, they would be wasting other people's
time as well as their own.
- In this society the only things worth learning are how to
cheat others and and how to suppress one's conscience,
assuming one has the misfortune to have one.
- We need the testing of children's (and older people's)
abilities to be more scientific. It is probable that many
people waste their time trying to do things for which
they have little or no aptitude because of pressures put
on them by parents, teachers, society etc. Things like
memory, problem solving ability, mathematical ability,
visual artistic flair, musical artistic flair, mechanical
design flair, manual dexterity, social skills etc. could
probably all be assessed in order to identify people with
exceptional abilities and to help everybody to find a
suitable career. This needs to be done over the whole
education period (and beyond) to see whether children's
aptitudes can be identified early or whether they change
significantly with age.
- Most people spend their whole lives working in a very
narrow area of activity, they don't need a broad
education, if they had one it would be of little or no
benefit to them, if they want one they can borrow books
on any subject from the library or buy them from book
shops.
- Most half-decent jobs are so specialised these days that
most school and university education has no relevance to
them and provides little or no preparation for them.
- Most children leave school without any books, all their
text books have to be left behind, most of the knowledge
they gained quickly drains away because they can't
refresh it easily. Children should leave school with a
few decent books for future reference otherwise their
education becomes a waste of time.
- A lot of trash TV channels should be ditched and be
replaced with education programmes.
- Secondary schools should be single sex at least until
sixth form level to reduce under age sex, promiscuity and
teenage pregnancies, also to improve education standards.
Mixed social events could be arranged throughout the age
range.
- The education racket is a FILTHY, STINKING, CORRUPT,
POISONOUS, LOATHSOME, HATEFUL, DAMNED, EVIL, SORDID
PANTOMIME DESIGNED TO ENABLE A FEW TO PROSPER BY
EXPLOITING AND CRIPPLING MANY.
- People who want education beyond the needs of their
employment and their fulfilment of their
responsibilities to their families and society in
general, should get it largely at their own expense and
in their own time. Education that cannot be used
productively should certainly be a person's own
investment.
- The best way to get some education is by disposing of the
TV set.
- Nowadays, education is preparation for a life of pain.
Developing one's intellect when society values half-wits
and oafs more highly is a good recipe for insanity and
suicide.
- Children who have ignorant parents don't have a chance in
our education system. They don't find out how important
education is until it is too late.
- The Commission Radio 4. Sat 14th Sept 02:- 30-40% of exam
grades are wrong, someone said. Coursework - often done
with the help of parents etc. so isn't a good measure of
ability at all. Apparently, the Russians wouldn't dream
of assessing children's abilities without giving them an
oral grilling. Exams are poor for assessing children's
abilities. IQ tests don't predict high flyers. IQ peaks
at 19. Emotional intelligence - peaks in 40s. High
proportion of high flying business leaders have low self
regard.
- The time is approaching when everybody will have to spend
a proportion of their time doing interesting intellectual
work and a proportion doing the practical and manual work
that nobody wants. Most people would probably be
healthier and happier following such a regime, judging by
war-time experience.
- People can't be expected to be civilised and law abiding
if they are unable to enjoy a similar standard of living
to those around them, particularly if this is through no
fault of their own, merely ill fortune, (this might
include being endowed with a less than first class brain).
Being clever shouldn't give privileges, it is a privilege
in itself. The clever should bear greater
responsibilities because they are more able to bear them.
- Most of the full-time secondary and further education
given to young people is of very little use to them in
their working life, it just provides qualifications that
enable them to get the specific vocational training they
need. This is a very wasteful way of preparing children
for their working lives, it also leaves them in the
position of still needing favours from, and having to
surmount the prejudices of, employers after they have
qualified.
- A large part of what most children learn at school is
only of any use to them if they decide to become school
teachers and, since most school teachers only teach one
subject, most of what they have learned will still go
virtually to waste.
- Academic education at school (and university?) could be
combined with vocational education at technical/commercial
colleges.
- Academic education shouldn't really be distinguished from
vocational education; academic work is as much a vocation
as any other sort.
- One common effect of education is to corrupt those who
are educated. It teaches them to think that if they stuff
themselves with information, most of which they are never
likely to need or use, and pass a few examinations,
largely at other people's expense, they are better than
people who don't do this and are entitled to a better
life.
- Since the state is prepared to give only minimal
assistance to the unemployed and employers are only
prepared to give minimal training to employees, the
primary purpose of education should be to give people the
skills they need to earn a decent living. Anyone who
cannot earn a decent living is in dire trouble and likely
to drift into crime, mental illness or suicide.
- Vocational training should have started by the third year
of secondary school at the latest.
- In case they fail their exams or are forced by other
unforeseen circumstances to quit school, all pupils
should be more or less equipped, at each possible school
leaving age, to take a more or less specific place in the
workforce at the corresponding level. Whatever the
circumstances of a student's quitting of full-time
education there should always be a path by which he can
recover lost ground in the future.
- Moral instruction should be given prominence in case a
child's parents are incapable of adequately fulfilling or
are unwilling to fulfil this function. Most parents fall
into one of these categories, few give their children
comprehensive, coherent, structured tuition in this
subject. Many children are allowed to grow up like weeds
by their parents.
- It is immoral to teach children morals at school if, when
they become adults, they are allowed to be treated like
dirt by employers and have to live in a society in which
corruption is tolerated.
- It is vital that children are given an understanding of
the relevance and importance of all parts of their
education so that they are motivated to learn.
- By the time the sixth form is reached, cultural and
recreational activities should largely take place in
student's own time at their parent's expense, (poor
parents being given assistance).???????????
- It is essential that all children who aren't disabled
take part in sports activities. Some of these could
possibly take place outside school hours and use the
facilities of local sports clubs.
- The aim of the education system under the Tories was to
make the obstacles to achieving middle class status
insurmountable for the poor so that an exploitable serf
class is preserved. The hypocrites are always going on
about offering choice but the best choices are always
restricted to the well off.
- After the first two years of secondary school education
the emphasis must be on vocational training.
- What is academic education exactly? The Concise Oxford
Dictionary definition of academic is "scholarly, (&
by implication) abstract, unpractical, cold, merely
logical", of what use is this type of education to
most people? Why is this type of education considered to
be superior? The only way most recipients of this type of
education can hope to support themselves is by becoming a
purveyor of it themselves. Teaching people to be more or
less useless except for teaching people to be more or
less useless isn't a particularly elevated vocation.
- History is largely a cultural subject, it has little
practical application, most people are sufficiently
interested in it to pursue it to the extent of their own
curiosity in their leisure time. History books can be read like novels,
for entertainment. Only an introduction to the subject, to
arouse interest, is therefore necessary in schools.
- It is impossible for even a full-time historian to know more than a
small fraction of world history so there is little point in anybody else
learning more than a few salient facts.
- Are some enjoyable, interesting, relatively easy lessons
needed to refresh students between difficult subjects
like maths and languages?
- The emphasis in secondary schools should be on modern
history, only a quick review of pre Victorian era history
is necessary.
- Most of the history learned by children is promptly
forgotten once they have taken their exams.
- The best way to ensure that children are equipped with
the historical information they need is to teach from a
really good text book that is far more comprehensive than
the syllabus requires (one sizeable volume should be
sufficient) and allow them to keep it when they leave
school. If the book is well written many children will
read the whole of it for pleasure although they don't
need to do so to pass their exams.
- It is doubtful whether many children need to continue
studying history beyond the second or third year of
secondary school.
- The amount of geography in the school curriculum can
probably also be reduced somewhat. Most people learn all
the geography they need or want from holiday brochures.
- This is the age of specialisation, very few people need a
broad education, if they want a broad education they
should get it in their leisure time at their own expense.
- Students who pursue full-time further education towards a
qualification for a career should be paid a salary? If
they fail to qualify for the career, or take another,
some proportion, depending on circumstances, of the
monies received should be repaid over a period of time.
- Part of the population is encouraged to believe it is
superior, the other part that it is inferior.
- Demand for new specialisms needs to be identified early
so that people can be trained in good time and a shortage
of suitable labour doesn't make costs prohibitive and
salary levels so high that they generate resentment in
those who can't benefit from them.
- Companies shouldn't be able to advertise for people with
a vast array of skills, as they often do, even polymaths
cannot exercise all their skills simultaneously so they
cannot make efficient use of them. It would usually be
more efficient to employ several cheaper people with
fewer accomplishments.
- Schools should teach children how to survive in this
cesspit society, how to avoid being taken to the cleaners
by poisonous, selfish employers etc.
- The damned, poisonous, corrupt education system is
designed to present an insurmountable barrier to anybody
who is poor and worried about being made more so. At the
higher education level it is designed more for the
benefit of those working in the education industry than
the students.
- The education system is largely designed to provide one
section of society, the middle and upper classes, with a
bogus justification for higher rewards and a better life.
- Education is designed to separate people into those who
will have a life and those who will have a subsistence.
- Education is largely designed to give people the delusion
that they are superior and entitled to a better life than
the rest of us, ie. it is designed to corrupt.
- "Professional" people are deluding themselves
that they are superior and deserve a better life because
they have stuffed themselves with a lot of information
they have never used and have long forgotten.
- How many people can honestly say that they have used more
than a very small part of what they learned during their
formal education?
- Only the children of the middle classes can be educated
for a decent job, everybody else has to be content to
train to be a wage slave.
- People who do technical/intellectual work will have to
have special educational arrangements.
- The education system shouldn't trap people in a position
of permanent disadvantage.
- Anybody who is civilised is at a hopeless disadvantage in
this poisonous, rat race, survival of the most ruthless,
society.
- The most civilising thing that education can do for
people is to enable them to have a means of earning
enough money to live as well as most other people they
come into contact with and to have nearly the same
status; all forms of work and all levels of ability
should be respected.
- The education system doesn't teach people the most
important thing, the skills they need to earn a living.
When most people finish full time education they are
still dependant on receiving favours from employers, they
shouldn't be.
- The education system is largely designed by the middle
classes to meet their own needs, ie. predominantly to
prevent the working classes trespassing on what they
regard as their turf.
- Children shouldn't be able to go on to full time further
education until they have some experience of the career
they intend to pursue, unless they have shown a definite
aptitude for that career and unless the course they
intend to take is relevant to that career.
- Only the people who come out top in the education race
get the opportunity to use their education, for everyone
else it is a waste of time. Society can't afford this
waste.
- Most people need education/training for a specific job,
not to be a Jack of all Trades, there isn't much demand
for those now. If people want a broad education they
should get it in their own time at their own expense.
- Children of poor parents are at a hopeless disadvantage
compared with children who get private education,
coaching etc. For the education system to be fair, all
children should get the same tuition as near as is
possible. Ability can't be assessed properly if different
children are educated in different ways.
- Is there any evidence that exercising the brain increases
it's development? I think there probably is.
- Nationalise existing universities and close them to
privately educated children? They will have to go to
private universities and will be banned from holding
public sector positions, voting in elections or standing
in elections. There has to be a disincentive to prevent
people by-passing normal routes in order to obtain an
unfair advantage. OR perhaps the same proportion of
children from each school could be selected for further
education on the basis that the average ability of all
the pupils at each school should be very much the same
and they should all have had almost the same tuition (coaching
to be an offence?)
- When should a child's choice of career be made? After
puberty at any rate, drastic changes of outlook and,
perhaps, ability probably occur then. Attempts should be
made to assess children's abilities, interests and
aptitudes at all stages of their education. These
assessments need to be kept in a record that follows each
child throughout his/her education in case it reveals
information relevant to career choice. It should be
fairly easy to recognise artistic types, scholar types,
action-man types, carer types etc. and to help them
identify the career(s) most suitable for them.
- Children should be encouraged, even made, to take part in
all sorts of activities, even things they don't like, to
help them find what they enjoy and have an aptitude for.
They shouldn't spend so much time passively listening to
teachers, they should be made to study by themselves
more, to perform in front of an audience more, to lose
their inhibitions more, to use their initiative more etc.
- The only way to survive and prosper in this society is to
be a poisonous, ruthless, greedy, money grubbing, filthy
minded heap of shit. Why aren't our schools training our
children to be like this?
- Children to be able to go back to school at 6pm to do
homework etc.? (or stay till 6pm, teachers to be
available until 5pm to give extra tuition?)
- Anybody who reaches a certain standard to be able to go
to university? Too many or too few might qualify.
- Have voluntary classes so that student's interests can be
determined by their choices?
- These days it is easier for tradesmen such as plumbers
and gas fitters etc. to earn a decent living throughout
their lives than for people who do intellectual work. To
prosper these days it is almost essential to start a
business, this is easier for tradesmen than for most
professionals.
- The education system is designed primarily to ensure that
the children of the prosperous classes become members of
the prosperous classes of the future.
- It appears that it is necessary to allow children to
decide what type of work they want to do, how much time
they want to spend on education and at what point in
their lives.
- Beyond a certain age people should only be given the
education they want and need, it is a waste of time
studying unless one is motivated to learn and one can
only be motivated to learn by a benefit (not necessarily
financial) that will be derived from learning.
- About the only people who can make any practical use of
history are school and university history teachers.
History is almost completely irrelevant to the vast
majority of people in their daily lives. The history most
relevant to them is the most recent history, the sort
that is least likely to be taught at school or university
if my (distant) experience is anything to go by. Doing
historical research and writing books about what one
finds is a very precarious way of earning a living that
only a few people, academics with time to spare mostly,
can hope to pursue profitably. It is easy for anybody who
is interested in history to find out whatever they want
to know. Bookshops and public libraries are well stocked
with books about almost every period and the vast
majority of them can be read with very little effort
because they are as easy, interesting and enjoyable as
novels and require no technical or mathematical knowledge.
There is no need for much history to be taught in
schools, except to children who want to be history
teachers. The same applies to geography. History and
geography could possibly be taught in conjunction with
English at primary schools, the children could be
required to read a chapter of a history or geography book
as homework then write an essay about some aspect of what
they have read and answer some questions in class, they
would have to read the book to be able to write the essay
and answer the questions.
- It is vital that people are able to earn a living. It is
virtually impossible for a person unable to do so and
therefore unable to enjoy a lifestyle as good as that of
the people who surround him to stay remotely civilised
for long.
- Children shouldn't be put in a slot at age 14 according
to Chris Woodhead? Moral Maze programme, BBC Radio 4.
They ought to have some idea of the direction in which
they want to go by this age (or soon after), surely?
- Chris Woodhead also said that education was a
conversation between the generations by which the young
learn what is worth preserving, that it is the
transmission of values down the generations. Surely this
is only a small part of it's function, it's main function
is to give children training that will enable them to
survive and prosper in the harsh environment of an over-competitive
society without behaving in a way that the other
competitors find unacceptable. One of the members of the
Moral Maze panel emphasised, as though it is immensely
difficult, the need to train students to use abstract
thought ; don't most people acquire the ability to handle
abstract concepts more or less naturally?
- The education system has little chance of producing
civilised human beings all the time the media are
undermining it's best efforts by directing a stream of
moronic trash, porn and decadence at the young which most
of them seem to be unable or disinclined to resist.
- Education beyond the 'A' Level stage should be largely
self-education, spoon feeding should no longer be
necessary, access to a tutor should be all that is
necessary. If this was general practice, a lot of
academics would be freed to do productive work.
- The primary purpose of education is to teach children the
skills they need to earn a living as good as most people
enjoy, everything else is secondary. People who are
unable to obtain the lifestyle enjoyed by their friends,
neighbours, relations and peers generally become bitter,
anti-social and very likely criminal.
- The education system prepares most people to be the
sacrificial lambs of employers, it doesn't teach children
how to make a living.
- When they leave school or further education, most
children still have to beg for the opportunity to be
trained how to earn a living inside a business.
- Everybody should be taught accounting, management and
business skills at school so that they can't be duped
into thinking these things are beyond them by employers.
- There should be a college in every sizeable town with a
good library where anybody can study between 8am and 10pm
seven days a week. Examination fees for work
qualifications should be very low or zero.
- Children should be required to reveal their thoughts
about their future career at regular intervals, giving
reasons for their choices and assessing their strengths
and weaknesses in relation to them.
- Children should be given random tests quite frequently to
see how they perform when they haven't had the chance to
revise. The tests should cover knowledge they are
supposed to have learned some time ago as well as the
most recent stuff. These results, together with data on
the performance of the whole class for comparison, should
go into each student's record. The collection of these
results accumulated over each child's school life should
provide a good indication of his or her application and
ability.
- Schools and universities don't seem to be very successful
at training people for work. Should industries have their
own colleges and universities to give appropriate
training to their staff and new recruits?
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