IMMIGRATION Refugees Population Topic Index

OPINIONS

  1. The indigenous population of this country is reducing it's birth rate because it can't afford babies due to the high cost of housing, which is due to a housing shortage, which, to a large extent, is due to hordes of immigrants having hordes of babies although little low cost housing is being built. Anything better than a corrugated iron shack is luxury to many immigrants.
  2. A lot of the asylum seekers and economic migrants coming here are crooks who see us as a soft target for their crookery. They are bringing drugs, vice, protection and other rackets here. They see prosperity and are determined to get it for themselves any way they can, immediately if not sooner, they know that corruption is the most effective way. It is the low life that is most eager to migrate from poor countries to prosperous ones, they know there will be rich pickings for them.
  3. Our naive leaders think all economic migrants are pure, innocent and wish to cherish their new country, in fact, many want to raddle it.
  4. Unemployed black people should be trained to do useful work in their own continent, Africa. They should replace the millions of Africans who are dying from AIDS and look after the millions of orphans being left behind instead of swaggering around our streets with drugs in their pockets and guns in their belts.
  5. On last week's (18th Jan 03) BBC Radio4 Moral Maze programme a black youth was quoted as saying he preferred a short exciting life to a long boring one, Africa would be the ideal place for him.
  6. According to another speaker on the programme 68% of Afro-Caribbean males between the ages of 18 and 24 are without a job, if they can't be found work here they should be trained for Voluntary Service Overseas, it might do them a lot of good to see what Africa is like.
  7. Other things that came up in this programme are that there is a "mass fatherlessness problem" in the Afro-Caribbean community and "raging teenage pregnancy rates". This just isn't acceptable, we cannot allow it to continue, if these people are determined to irresponsibly breed like rabbits they must either do it somewhere where nature has effective population controls in place, ie. Africa, or we must make sure they can't do it, by sterilisation if that is the only way. We are under no obligation to welcome cuckoos to our nest, the white races don't have to commit national and racial suicide for the benefit of the black ones but that is what we are doing at present, we are supporting people who are a serious threat to our survival and the survival of civilisation. We are letting them become the majority in this country just as the Catholics are becoming the majority in Northern Ireland, so that they can get control and do what they like with the rest of us. Most people, including our leaders, are too blind to see this and too dim or irresponsible to care anyway.
  8. The Japanese don't bear the overhead of tens of thousands of asylum seekers and economic migrants, they don't admit any, despite being more successful and prosperous than us, I don't expect the South Koreans or Taiwanese do either.. How are we supposed to compete with them? If the Japanese don't have to take any refugees, asylum seekers or immigrants why do we?
  9. Immigrants and asylum seekers are taking the work that the less able members of society need in order to survive. It looks as though large numbers of elderly people are going to need work to supplement their inadequate pensions, where is this going to come from when large numbers of the indigenous population as well as immigrants are doing more than one job to get all the expensive toys they crave.
  10. The important question is not so much whether we are tolerant of minority races in this, our own country, now, it is whether they will be tolerant and even-handed with us when they become the majority and have control, as is predicted to happen in as little as fifty years time. If what happens in these people's own countries is anything to go by the answer is that they won't be. It was only a few years ago that Hutus massacred about a million? Tutsis in Ruanda with machetes and, more recently, guerrillas have been chopping off the limbs of government supporters in Sierra Leone?, more recently still, President Mugabe has been giving us another(?) demonstration of the remarkable civilising influence an Oxford University education has on third world leaders. Turks and Kurds fighting each other for control of the drugs trade and protection racket in Birmingham?, a large proportion of the passengers on flights from the West Indies bringing in drugs, Eastern European pimps and prostitutes operating in London's Soho, where will it end? It seems a trifle unwise in these circumstances to let the minority population of this country rise much above it's present proportion of the total.
  11. This country is seriously over-populated already, immigration is undesirable.
  12. Worldwide there are probably tens or even hundreds of millions of people who would like to come to live in this country as British citizens, our standard of living would have to fall drastically before they would stop wanting to come. We can't possibly accommodate them all; it isn't fair and just to pick out the ones who are useful to us, let them come and reject all the others. Those who are most useful to us are almost certainly the most useful to their own people in their own country. It would be far more satisfactory to help them improve their situation in their own countries. We have to intervene in the countries the immigrants are coming from, not to colonise them but to remove the corrupt dictators and then ensure that they are well governed and given all the technical help they need.
  13. There must be millions of people in Africa who are HIV positive and would like to come to this country to get the drugs they need.
  14. If all the developed countries descend into the chaos and backwardness of the poorest countries as a result of excessive immigration there will be little hope of a decent civilisation surviving anywhere.
  15. Recent immigrants have not been properly assimilated yet, further immigration will make matters worse.
  16. Immigrants, especially if they are easily distinguishable by their colour, for example, usually have very different interests to the indigenous population; for instance, they want to increase their numbers as fast as possible in order to become a larger and therefore more influential minority or even the majority. It is this population pressure that is pushing up the price of housing in this country to uneconomic levels, pushing up our cost of living and making us uncompetitive internationally.
  17. In a recent Moral Maze programme on Radio 4 it was said that the coloured population of the USA was 16 million in 1960 and is now 80 million. A similar ballooning of the ethnic minority population is almost certainly taking place in this country, it is being hidden by the falling birth rate of the indigenous population. It has been said that ethnic minorities will be the majority in as little as fifty years. White people will be an outvoted, powerless and vulnerable minority everywhere if present trends continue much longer. Still, the leaders of the new majority will no doubt be civilised, Oxford educated people like President Mugabe of Zimbabwe, so our children have nothing to fear.
  18. In Northern Ireland, the only reason the IRA have become a bit more accommodating is because they know they are winning the breeding war, in a few years time Catholic Nationalists will be the majority and will be able to outvote the Unionists. Every time someone in Northern Ireland is murdered we are told how many children they have, five or six in the case of Unionists, nine or ten in the case of Nationalists. The rest of Britain is having to subsidise the rabbit like breeding of both sides and all the ethnic minorities, how can we compete with countries like Japan, South Korea and China which are almost completely mono-cultural, don't have these overheads and have, or are getting, population growth under control. (Apparently the birth rate in Japan is currently 1.1 per family but it doesn't seem possible that it will remain at such a low level for long. According to a recent article in The Evening Standard by a journalist who lives in Japan, young people there have lost interest in marriage and having a family, largely because wives are also expected to look after their in-laws and are no longer prepared to do it. In Catholic, children loving, Italy the birth rate is said to be 1.3 per family, ours might be similar if it wasn't for the Irish and other immigrants).
  19. Some immigrants are using arranged marriages with people from their homeland to bring in more immigrants and ensure that their population in this country rises almost exponentially.
  20. Many immigrants don't want to assimilate, they want to create a colony in this country. Our colonisation of their countries was evil, their colonisation of ours is just fine. Eventually they will want their colonies to have devolution, some are thinking along these lines already, (in this country and also in the United States).
  21. Most people in both the indigenous population and the immigrant population don't want to live in a multi-racial society hence the creation of white suburbs and ethnic inner city ghettoes. Living in some parts of London and many other cities is now more like living in Africa or India.
  22. Living in a multicultural society seems to mean we have to live with drug culture, gun culture, gang culture, primitive music culture, vice culture, promiscuous sex culture, hordes of babies culture etc.etc. Our highly developed European culture is being swamped by primitive cultures from backward countries. The indigenous population is going downhill rather than the immigrant population being raised to a higher level.
  23. Most people find alien people with alien beliefs, behaviour, interests, habits, enthusiasms etc. intensely irritating, that is why everybody tries to move away when ethnic minorities start to take over an area. Our leaders are so blind they haven't noticed that this happens. They wouldn't be so keen on multiculturalism if they found themselves unable to escape from the thumping beat of reggae, rap or whatever all day everyday, the torture some people have to endure from their neighbours. Of course, residents of Downing Street, Islington, Chelsea and Kensington probably don't have this problem, not yet anyway.
  24. The middle classes don't care too much about immigration, it doesn't adversely affect them, it provides a pool of even cheaper and more vulnerable labour for them to exploit to enrich themselves further. Their present serfs can accept even worse poverty in order to compete or go to Hell.
  25. Only a little more than a century ago the white colonisers of the USA more or less completed the genocide of the indigenous population of North America, just over fifty years ago Hitler was practising genocide on the Jews (and treating Slavs almost as badly), the Jews are right now in the final stages of the displacement of the indigenous population of Palestine, less than five years ago the Hutus were using machetes to commit genocide on the Tutsis (or vice versa?) in Ruanda, rebels were hacking the limbs off their victims even more recently in Liberia?, yet we are naively letting ourselves be placed in the position where we could be on the receiving end of this kind of treatment in a short period of time, we are letting our country fall into the hands of aliens with completely different interests to our own. Civilisation is a fragile thing. Obscene class and wealth differences are an intolerable aggravation for many of us, the additional tensions and problems caused by racial and religious differences threaten to make life completely unbearable.
  26. Most of the countries we take immigrants from don't welcome white Anglo-Saxon immigrants themselves. If foreigners are to be allowed to live here we must at least be allowed to emigrate to their countries on the same basis.
  27. There aren't many white people left in most of Africa, they are being squeezed out of Zimbabwe and soon I expect they will be made unwelcome in South Africa. There are hardly any white people still resident in the Indian sub-continent. There are now more than a billion Indians in a country that is less than a third the area of China, if we are not careful our cities will become like Calcutta. Other races must learn to improve conditions in their own countries, primarily by controlling the growth of their populations, they shouldn't be allowed to spread the curse of over-population to every corner of the world.
  28. It is extremely unwise to risk becoming a minority in our own country, it has been predicted that it could happen in as little as fifty years if policies aren't changed. The white races will soon be a minority everywhere in the world if current trends continue, it is completely irresponsible to allow this to happen at the present stage of human development, it may be alright in the not very distant future but it is premature now.
  29. I read somewhere recently that Japan doesn't allow the immigration of any foreigners at all, it only repatriates it's own nationals who had settled abroad. Homogenous societies are generally reckoned to be more successful than mixed ones. If Japan can have this policy why can't we?
  30. There is no need for Indians and Pakistanis to come to this country, there are better prospects for them at home, their own countries are developing rapidly while ours is going downhill towards third world status. They didn't like being colonised by us, so we left; why do we have to like being colonised by them. Those in this country are reckoned to be the most enterprising, they ought to be helping their own people in their own country.
  31. Foreign culture isn't always enjoyed by indigenous populations, most probably find it a serious aggravation, this is why they move out of residential areas when ethnic minorities move in.
  32. Different races and creeds tend to get on each other's nerves. Meeting people who are very different is fine now and then, when on holiday for example, but continuous contact tends to become irritating quite quickly. It is no good exhorting everybody to be tolerant; some people are much more sensitive to aggravation than others. For example, quite a lot of people would have to be anaesthetised or lobotomised before they could tolerate day long beat music or rap coming through the wall from next door. I am occasionally driven near homicidal by beat music from nearby flats myself, even with white neighbours, I dread ethnic minority neighbours, so do many other people. Our politicians get a false impression of what it is like to live in close proximity to members of ethnic minorities because those they have contact with for any length of time are from the educated intelligentsia. They are therefore not qualified to judge what is good for the rest of us and have no right to since they are supposed to be representing our views, not their own, in what is supposed to be a democracy.
  33. Our country is being colonised by hordes of people from alien and backward cultures. It is a dangerous development. They didn't like being colonised by us, understandably, although we opened their eyes to a more advanced civilisation, but we have to like being colonised by them. The colonisation we are suffering now appears to be taking the indigenous population backwards rather than the immigrants forwards. The cultures of drugs, guns, crime, sexual degradation, violence, irresponsibility etc. are becoming more and more pervasive.
  34. The UN (etc.) inserted the Jews into Palestine, look at the trouble that has caused ever since.
  35. Our highly developed European culture is being wiped out by primitive cultures brought in by immigrants from backward parts of the world, we are going backwards to their level. We are not obliged to destroy ourselves on behalf of the parts of the world where the indigenous people haven't learned to look after themselves. Up to now, our attempts to improve the lot of these people have generally neither been successful nor well received, nevertheless, we are obliged to continue to try to be helpful.
  36. We need to invest, ethically, in poor countries to stop their populations wanting to come here. Overall, rather than investing, the advanced countries are probably still plundering the mineral, forest, and agricultural wealth of the third world, possibly to an even greater extent than in colonial times.
  37. Ethnic minorities think immigration should be possible for everybody who wants to come because that is in their interests, they want to be the majority, this is diametrically opposed to the interests of the indigenous population.
  38. Immigrants should have to qualify for British citizenship. They should have to reject their primitive beliefs and practices and show themselves capable of contributing to our society, not jeopardising it.
  39. Refugees should normally only be given temporary residence in this country until they can return to their own safely.
  40. There are more than 10 million immigrants in France apparently.
  41. When global warming progresses a bit further there could be billions of people wanting to move to cooler climates.
  42. Our politicians are not fulfilling their duty to allow us to exercise our democratic rights, they are imposing ethnic immigration on us when it is highly unlikely that the majority of the population are in favour of it. They love boosting their egos by playing God, they need to be put where they belong, doing hard manual labour, that is all they are fit for. They have given what was Arab Palestine to the Jews; if we don't stop them they will give Britain to the Hottentots in return for the warm, sanctimonious glow that gives them.
  43. People who dress differently to the rest of us are a provocation. They are saying "look at me, I am different to you" or, more often "look at me, I am superior to you". It would be strange if we liked that. Muslim women who wear scarves or ????? over their hair (or the full rig with veil etc.) are saying "I am more pious, devout, spiritual and holy than you are", in fact, they are just more deluded, conceited and therefore more nauseating than the rest of us. We have every right to dislike these people. If they want to affect this pose they should go somewhere where that is the custom, there are plenty of such places, not inflict it on us. They want to enjoy the material benefits of our society without abandoning the navel contemplating narcissism of their own, is it any wonder they arouse hostility?
  44. There should be timely intervention in countries that are generating refugees and asylum seekers to sort matters out. Apparently, large numbers of asylum seekers are coming to this country from Zimbabwe now. If we had helped to organise effective measures to ensure that the recent elections in that country were fair and just, it is unlikely that this would be the case. Any Zimbabweans coming to this country should be trained to return to Zimbabwe and sort out it's problems. (According to this month's (June 2002) New Internationalist magazine, the average life expectancy of Zimbabweans has fallen by 26 years due to the AIDS epidemic in their country; how many of these asylum seekers are HIV positive, hoping to get drug treatment here at our expense and likely to aggravate the spread of the disease here?)
  45. On immigration, people have to vote with their feet, by moving away from areas as the immigrants move in, the governing class makes sure they don't get the chance to exercise their democratic right in a referendum or other sort of ballot.
  46. Britain appears to have failed dismally in the colonial era as far as preparing the populations of many of the colonies (Africa, India etc.) for the future is concerned. Now we are paying the price, large numbers from their populations wanting to emigrate to this country.
  47. Under capitalism, a large proportion of the population are virtually slaves already, large numbers of immigrants will make the situation a lot worse. A large proportion of the population already has to do work that is an insult to their intelligence. Most of our industry has gone or is going, the only jobs left are inane customer service jobs, most third world peasants who have their own plot of land can lead a more natural and fulfilling life growing their own food and building their own shelter.
  48. The myth is being propagated that this country needs immigrants to help to maintain the growth of the economy by filling skills shortages such as doctors and teachers. This is nonsense. The only reason there are skills shortages in this country is because people are being given inappropriate training, or are being deprived of the opportunity to receive training or retraining, or are being deprived of the opportunity to do the work they trained to do. There is no shortage of doctors in this country. The trouble is that most doctors are being given far more training , at a higher level than is appropriate, than they will ever get the opportunity to use. The result is that they are not very good at the relatively straightforward job they should be doing, diagnosing and treating illness (or more likely, just deciding the appropriate treatment). The same is true of teachers and probably, practically every other profession. It is ridiculous that primary school teachers and even secondary school teachers have to have degrees, it should be possible to train children who want to be primary school teachers in the sixth form of secondary school, likewise teachers who will teach one subject to 'O' level standard (how many secondary school teachers teach more than one subject?). Even 'A' level teachers should probably need only one year of training after getting a good 'A' level grade in the subject they plan to teach. Most of the education given to most people in this country is an almost complete waste of time and money, it is never used and serves no purpose. If it was made possible for people to be retrained to do a specific job at any time in their working life there would be no skills shortages. Few jobs require more than a year's training, a month's training is adequate for most. However, a large section of society has to persuade itself it is superior and therefore entitled to a better life than everybody else, it uses a long period of education to delude itself and dupe the rest of us.
  49. In addition, a large proportion of the population is doing work that would be unnecessary in a well run, just society, work that has been invented to provide a large number of the middle class with cushy, well paid, parasitic positions that enable them to suck the blood of the productive workforce.
  50. It is an almost universal fact of life that most people prefer and seek out the company of their own kind, their own race, their own class, their own intellectual level, their own trade or profession, their own outlook, their own psychological type etc., etc. and avoid the company of other people in proportion to their difference. Evidence of this is all around, everywhere, in every part of the world, in every town , every city, every village but the people who think they have the right to decide what is good for everybody else deny it and smear anybody who acknowledges it with the labels racist and bigot.
  51. Mixing people who don't want to be mixed is a recipe for disaster, look no further than Northern Ireland.
  52. The Moral Maze programme:- Immigration needed to let third world get access to work. Immigrants wouldn't become citizens necessarily. Guest worker system as used by Germany - workers have families then want/expect to be able to stay. The third world is inheriting the Earth according to a Yank who took part, presumably because it's population is growing so large and it's cheap labour will suck up all the work.
  53. The Irish Republic is relatively sparsely populated and it has been exporting the surplus fruit of it's people's profligate, Catholic loins to this country and the USA for generations. It's economy is taking off, perhaps it's about time it was on the receiving end for a change, perhaps we should redirect the immigrants arriving in this country like France does but to Dublin. If Dublin doesn't want them it can ship them to New York, George Bush was boasting about the USA's generosity to immigrants a short time ago and according to a recent article in Newsweek? the US population may reach 500 million by 2050 so a few more immigrant won't be noticed.
REFUGEES     TOP
  1. There is no need to give refugees British Nationality, they should be given temporary resident status until the situation in their own country is no longer dangerous for them or until return to their own country becomes too big a step for them due to age, infirmity or other reasons including, perhaps, the cultural shock return after a long period of absence would involve.
  2. The Government should do far more, through international organisations such as the United Nations, to ensure that the problems that produce refugees are speedily resolved.
  3. The reported shortages of qualified people are largely a myth, the problem is that employers are too picky, they won't employ people they consider too old (over 40), people who don't have precisely the right experience (and an unnecessarily large amount of it), people who might be a threat to their own position, people who might need a little training, people who obviously know more than they do or are obviously more clever than they are, people who show any sign of reluctance to be buried in a team or position with no prospect of advancement, people who aren't from the same background as they are, people whose salary expectation is too low so implying that their own is too high, people whose salary expectation is too high - perhaps higher than their own, people who show any sign that they might question their prospective employer's judgement or authority from time to time, etc., etc. The skills shortage is largely the fault of employers and this country's education system. It would be unjust if refugees were given an unfair advantage over the indigenous population due to the prejudices, legal and illegal (both can usually be hidden), of employers, the shortcomings of our education system or for any other reason. Employers like to employ refugees because they can pay them low wages and make a large profit for themselves out of them.
  4. How many of the people coming to this country claiming to be refugees are HIV positive and coming here mainly in the hope of getting free treatment? How many are likely to spread the disease in this country?
POPULATION   RESPONSE FORM TOP
  1. Population control is vital in the modern world so that everyone can live contented, civilised lives rather than fighting for scarce and dwindling resources. We can't live like lemmings, their population explodes when there is plenty to eat then most starve to death when they have eaten all the food available.
  2. The human population is predicted to peak at about ten billion not far in the future This could be wishful thinking and it is too high a figure anyway, a reversal of population growth is needed now. Population growth has to stop eventually, why wait until nature imposes it's own limit the painful way. (According to an expert speaking on a radio program some (considerable) time ago, the environmentally sound, sustainable population of this country is less than 5 million.)
  3. According to a report in the Economist (25/8/2002), the US population could rise to 500 million by 2050 due to a baby boom and immigration. This is ludicrous and irresponsible. It is doubtful whether the US can feed a population of this size without importing vast amounts of food, yet it is about the only country that produces food surpluses that can be used for famine and disaster relief elsewhere. In 50 years time it will be part of the cause of famines in the third world and the victims will have to starve. The US is probably worried that China will displace it from it's No.1 superpower position if it doesn't increase it's population. This isn't a valid reason for population increase.
  4. If the US can accommodate this increase in it's population it can easily accommodate the c5 million? Jews it foisted on Palestine and give them their own Palestine sized slice of territory.
  5. There seems to be a body of opinion that thinks that birth rates should be kept up to provide an increasing supply of young working people to support and finance the pensions of the increasing population of the old. This is lunacy, the population would continue to rise until there was mass starvation if this policy was sustained, the old must support themselves for longer. It is ridiculous for people to expect a decades long holiday at the end of their lives. In most cultures the majority of people have to do a certain amount of work to support themselves almost until death, this is as it should be.
  6. Everybody should be limited to being the biological parent of no more than two children. In Northern Ireland Catholics and Protestants are trying to outbreed each other to get and keep political control respectively, the same thing is no doubt happening elsewhere; in the long term such behaviour will be catastrophic. It is unfair even in the short term, all these children are probably being supported to a large extent by people other than their parents and they put great pressure on resources when they grow up and need housing and jobs. Both men and women should be given the snip when they have had two, or three?, children. If they have three children perhaps those children, when they become adults, should be restricted to having just one to compensate.
  7. The population should be declining because people are tending to have their children later in life. Since it isn't, it means that people must be having more children on average. If people go back to marrying early and having their children soon afterwards, which is a more normal (and probably more healthy) pattern, there will be another substantial rise in the population.
  8. What were the results of the last census, it appears they are being censored by the Government? Is the Government hiding explosive growth of the ethnic minority part of the population? The populations of Scotland, Italy, Japan and Germany are shrinking at present, this is a good trend, it is a pity it can't be reproduced world-wide.
  9. According to an article in the Appointments section of the Nov.24 02 Sunday Telegraph the population of India will increase by 500 million and that of Nigeria by 160 million over an unspecified time period. According to two atlases in my possession the population of India was 586.3 million in 1977, 809.1 million in 1988 and was predicted to be 961.5 million in 2000. Since it is now over 1 billion the prediction seems to have been quite accurate. The corresponding figures for Nigeria are 66.2 million, 110.0 million and 161.9 million (2002 population 126.3 according to another atlas) so it appears that Nigeria's population is expected to double. These figures illustrate how serious the over-population problem is, it is ridiculous to believe that these rapid increases can be sustained, the longer they are allowed to continue the worse the situation will become, the outlook for everybody is getting to look very grim. These extra millions can't be allowed to expand into the developed world to continue their over-breeding there but it could be very difficult to stop them. The developing countries are failing to cope with their problems, perhaps the developed nations should consider intervening again before it is too late. The principal form of aid the Third World needs is birth control. The only alternative is likely to be starvation and disease. At present, disease in the form of AIDS looks as though it might be the dominant control.
  10. It might be in the best interests of the human race to let the AIDS epidemic run it's course without interference. Apart from bringing the population down to a more sustainable level in the short term, it might also have the evolutionary advantage of eliminating the genes for promiscuity, irresponsibility and one track mindedness from the human genome by killing off all those who possess them, on the other hand, it might not. It might be a good idea to spread this idea around to scare people into more sensible behaviour, then again, it might not.
  11. The best thing we could do for Africa is probably to train all the people of African origin in this country how to give the snip to men and women and then return them to the continent.
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